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Bucks8ball.com » Milton Keynes Leagues » MK Tuesday League
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Is it time for a change to the rules played?
Continue with World Rules Continue with World Rules 58%[14 Votes]
Change to Blackball Change to Blackball 42%[10 Votes]
Total Votes : 24
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New Season - Is it time for a change?
maria mezza lewis
Top  #1 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 11:57
This seasons MK Tuesday Pool League has now finished with presentation having been moved to 6th Sept and no Registration or AGM date set, and the majority of the current committee members stepping down is this a time for change?
MK Tuesday Pool League is currently played to World Rules but the league has players who play both World Rules and Blackball Rules, and it is proposed that the rule-set be changed to Blackball. There are a few differences in the rules but Blackball is a more pub friendly set of rules, it is a combination of World Rules and old EPA Rules which are often played in pubs, what are these differences?

1.BREAK
BLACKBALL - 2 balls must pass the middle pocket or ball potted
WORLD RULES - 4 balls must hit a cushion or ball potted

2.DECIDING COLOURS
BLACKBALL - The table is open after the break shot and remains open until the player pots a ball from only one group on a legal
normal shot, which means not a break shot and not a free shot.
WORLD RULES - The table is open until a ball is potted on a legal shot. If potted on the break or one of each group is potted in a
legal shot the player must nominate their chosen group.

3.FOULS Same as WR excluding:
• SKILL SHOT – see no.6
• DELIBERATE FOUL – see no.5
• Moving cue ball with any part of cue except tip once frame has started
• Catching cue ball from an in off is a LOSS OF FRAME

4.FOULS - Penalty
BLACKBALL - One free shot where player can play any ball with their first shot.
• Free shot player can pot any ball excluding Black, unless they are on the Black, or Cue ball
• Ball in hand, so play from where Cue ball rests or take to Baulk
WORLD RULES - Two shots, player must play own ball from where Cue ball rests unless it’s a foul snooker

5.DELIBERATE FOUL
BLACKBALL - A Loss of Frame foul. Player must make a genuine attempt to hit their own ball first.
If player hits own ball first onto opponent’s ball and pots only the opponent’s ball and covers pocket with own ball,
that is not a deliberate foul. Definition of deliberate foul is not making a genuine attempt to hit own ball. Therefore,
hitting opponent’s ball first because you forgot what colour you are on is a deliberate foul.
WORLD RULES - A Standard foul and opponent is awarded two shots

6.SKILL / COMBINATION SHOT
BLACKBALL -In a legal shot (playing own ball first) player can pot an opponent’s ball providing one of their own ball is potted. This
can also include the Blackball if the player is on the Black ball.
WORLD RULES -A Standard foul and opponent is awarded two shots. If Black ball is potted, then loss of frame.


If you believe it’s time for a change then please attend the AGM when the date is set and make it known, or you can contact me on 07807050171. In the meantime, if you would like to know more about the Blackball rules please contact me and either myself or a Blackball colleague will attend your venue and go through the rules.

To view Blackball rules in full click the link http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp...asp?id=120
To view World rules in full click the link http://www.epa.org.uk/wrules.php

If the change is made the pool season will see a new and exciting approach to the Tuesday singles competition plus other different mini comps throughout.


BELIEVE, THE TRANSITION IS NOT HUGE, THEY ARE EASIER TO LEARN THEN WORLD RULES.
Edited by maria mezza lewis on 30/08 14:38
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
whatafcukinliberty
Top  #2 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 13:09
Totally agree with Maria, these rules will definitely suit more people already playing world rules league pool.
A new approach, new comps, fees getting spread around more with more people winning a little cash.
It is a friendly league and should be aimed at the many instead of the few, rules are easy to pick up....
cops and who???
 
Koopa
Top  #3 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 14:59
Would be a good move I believe

As it is a friendly league I would suggest you do drop the two rules that really shouldn't be in there anyway, namely
• Moving cue ball with any part of cue except tip once frame has started
• Catching cue ball from an in off is a LOSS OF FRAME

i.e. lining up the cue ball with you cue after ball in hand and catching the white after it has already dropped in the pocket. Keep it simple and friendly.

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poolplayerdan
Top  #4 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 17:05
The way I look at it there are two main rule sets in pool ( blackball and world) and two main leagues in me. Have one of each rule set league would be a good idea
 
maria mezza lewis
Top  #5 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 17:33
Guys would be great if you could click the poll above as well as commenting.
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
BULLET
Top  #6 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 21:41
since when has this been a friendly league, its been a money league for a long time
 
maria mezza lewis
Top  #7 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 21:54

Quote

BULLET wrote:

since when has this been a friendly league, its been a money league for a long time


It will remain a money league but it is friendly.
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
whatafcukinliberty
Top  #8 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 22:27
There will not be two leagues catering for different rules. We are proposing taking over if no one else does but we will only want a blackball league. New match night format, new singles format and maybe some other tournaments thrown in
Edited by whatafcukinliberty on 30/08 22:56
cops and who???
 
Hammer
Top  #9 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 22:54
Sounds like a revelation ??
 
ads
Top  #10 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 22:56

Quote

whatafcukinliberty wrote:

There will not be to leagues catering for different rules. We are proposing taking over if no one else does but we will only want a blackball league. New match night format, new singles format and maybe some other tournaments thrown in


what's the point in voting if what you state it's going to only be a blackball league
 
poolplayerdan
Top  #11 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 23:54

Quote

whatafcukinliberty wrote:

There will not be two leagues catering for different rules. We are proposing taking over if no one else does but we will only want a blackball league. New match night format, new singles format and maybe some other tournaments thrown in



I refer to the two leagues as the MKTPL and MKSPl.
 
maria mezza lewis
Top  #12 Print Post
Posted on 30/08 23:57

Quote

ads wrote:

Quote

whatafcukinliberty wrote:

There will not be to leagues catering for different rules. We are proposing taking over if no one else does but we will only want a blackball league. New match night format, new singles format and maybe some other tournaments thrown in


what's the point in voting if what you state it's going to only be a blackball league



Quote

The poll vote is just to give an idea not to be final decion. What we are saying is that the Tuesday League will either be WR or BB not both
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
whatafcukinliberty
Top  #13 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 07:18

Quote

ads wrote:

Quote

whatafcukinliberty wrote:

There will not be to leagues catering for different rules. We are proposing taking over if no one else does but we will only want a blackball league. New match night format, new singles format and maybe some other tournaments thrown in


what's the point in voting if what you state it's going to only be a blackball league


That is not what i said, i stated that if no one else wants to take over the Tuesday league then I may be interested but only if it was blackball league. I would not try this if someone continued with world rules as no point running 2 leagues on the one night
cops and who???
 
smithy
Top  #14 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 08:16
hi what about the players that dont play blackball surely more dont play at this moment in time
 
Knightrider
Top  #15 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 09:06
If this league goes to Blackball, then all those MK based players that play for Buckinghamshire EPA County (World Rules) will need to sign up to play for a Sunday night league team, in order to qualify playing for their county. You need to play minimum of 50% of available matches in an EPA affiliated league. So if you currently only play on Tuesdays and not Sundays you will need to join a Sunday team or start a new one up. Dave Morgan is currently trying to get new Sunday teams for the up coming season, so now is your chance.

This is not scare mongering in any way, good luck to who ever takes over the running of this league and under which set of rules it plays under. The more successful leagues there are the more pool players that will be generated and hopefully more come through to county level whichever code. I'm all for what ever keeps pool going as a sport and encouraging more youngsters to play.

My point is that if you wish to play at county level -World rules then need to play in a league which is affiliated to the EPA. Not sure if this league goes to Blackball rules if they would want to be affiliated to EPA?
 
maria mezza lewis
Top  #16 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 09:16

Quote

smithy wrote:

hi what about the players that dont play blackball surely more don't play at this moment in time


Smithy, as you say 'at this moment', but it will always remain that way if there is no change. Our aim is not to just set up a Blackball league but to keep the Tuesday League running albeit with different rules.
We are not looking at taking advantage of players because they don't know the rules or never played them, we are willing to go to players venue and go through the rules and play some frames. The first season will also see some agreement that would be discussed and agreed at the AGM to assist current non Blackball players. We appreciate and understand that it is a change, but the rules are not drastically different and they are easier to learn than World rules albeit you already know and play World rules and change is not something that everyone likes but there was a time when the league was Old EPA rules and you all managed to cope with the change over to World rules.

The league will bring some challenges along with some new and exciting mini comps during a season.

If the Blackball league does go ahead then in the future we will look at tying it in with the Blackball Nationals, similar to the current World rules where it is linked to Champion of Champions.

Like Stuart said, this is our proposal for the Tuesday league if there is no one to take over and run it as World rules.

Stuart and I will be going around to local pubs in the evening on Sunday 4th Sept.
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
maria mezza lewis
Top  #17 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 09:26

Quote

Knightrider wrote:

If this league goes to Blackball, then all those MK based players that play for Buckinghamshire EPA County (World Rules) will need to sign up to play for a Sunday night league team, in order to qualify playing for their county. You need to play minimum of 50% of available matches in an EPA affiliated league. So if you currently only play on Tuesdays and not Sundays you will need to join a Sunday team or start a new one up. Dave Morgan is currently trying to get new Sunday teams for the up coming season, so now is your chance.

This is not scare mongering in any way, good luck to who ever takes over the running of this league and under which set of rules it plays under. The more successful leagues there are the more pool players that will be generated and hopefully more come through to county level whichever code. I'm all for what ever keeps pool going as a sport and encouraging more youngsters to play.

My point is that if you wish to play at county level -World rules then need to play in a league which is affiliated to the EPA. Not sure if this league goes to Blackball rules if they would want to be affiliated to EPA?


As you know it is not Blackball that would not want to affiliate with the EPA but the EPA won't affiliate with Blackball but I'm not getting into the politics of things. If the league does change to BB then from what you say WR county players will have to play in the Sunday league or any league that is affiliated to the EPA, I take it this could be any league. Blackball county players do not have to play in an affiliated league.
I'm not weird, I'm limited edition
 
bowden
Top  #18 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 09:49
Just to inform everyone, i will be continueing to run the league on a Tuesday night. I will be arranging a agm in the near furture and everyone will be invited to attend. I will be opening posistions up on the committee, in which i already have people interested. This league will remain a world rules league as far as i am concerened. This matter can be discussed at the agm if you wish

Thanks

Nick
 
Dog
Top  #19 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 09:53
Good move people. From the little i've seen, the Buckingham league has changed to BB seamlessly.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about the EPA's 50% rule for WR County players - it's not policed. And for all their faults, they are not likely to hinder one of the smallest counties in the country (registration wise).
Everywhere is nice if you drink enough beer, so some days I’m there and some days I’m here
 
whatafcukinliberty
Top  #20 Print Post
Posted on 31/08 10:10
There is nothing stopping us have a division of blackball rules and a division of world rules...
Fact is that world rules is there for the few that are interested in county, yarmouth etc... the majority want a league that is much more open and ran with efficiency. Auto update tables and rankings, better comps, no deliberate fouls.
For years a lot of you that may protest about this have been protesting about how the league has ran, who runs it, lack of competition...
Maria and I are not out to spoil anyones fun, just giving you all options...
Everything is voluntary so we are suggesting this to revamp an otherwise failing league
cops and who???
 
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